Since I have taken to blocking Eric Coppolino, and have no clue why he was not already blocked... for anyone else who can still publicly read his ridiculous gripes about Anthony Brink's involvement with the Perth Group, let's be clear:
Brink was actively involved in supporting the Perth Group during the Parenzee case. While he was not a signatory to any specific legal documents in the case (e.g., court submissions), Brink played a significant role in advocating for the Perth Group’s position. He provided both intellectual and moral support, promoting their oxidative stress hypothesis and their challenge to HIV’s existence. Brink’s writings, including articles and books like Debating AZT, aligned closely with the Perth Group’s views, and he publicly criticized David Crowe for undermining their testimony by influencing Parenzee’s lawyer, Kevin Borick, to pivot toward Peter Duesberg’s arguments. While I concede that Brink’s involvement was more ideological and promotional, rather than as a direct participant in court proceedings, there is no denying his role here and to do so is extremely dishonest. Coppolino can go fuck himself in front a mirror.
Coppolino is WRONG, of course. As usual, he does not know what he's talking about, and he is in over his head! It was a fact that Perth Group leader Eleni P-E had TWICE DESIGNATED Anthony Brink as a speaker on behalf of The Perth Group. The first time that Brink "ably" spoke on behalf of the Perth Group was in May, 2008 at the "All Russia Parents Assembly AIDS dissident conference" held in Ekaterinburg. The second time Eleni proposed that Anthony Brink present the Perth Group's views on the "HIV" isolation problem was at an American AIDS dissident Conference being organized in 2009 by David Rasnick and David Crowe. Eleni's proposal to have Brink speak again "on behalf of the Perth Group" was REJECTED by the assholes running that conference. (See: https://www.tig.org.za/RA&RAConference&PGSep1609.pdf )
It is also a fact that Anthony Brink was credited as CO-AUTHOR along with other additional authors of at least two Perth Group publications:
It should be clarified that throughout the years, the Perth Group had several additional people -in addition to the primary three who were mentioned by Coppolino- who were credited as co-authors on their papers. It IS true that the vast majority of the writing was always done by ELENI. However, it is very significant that ELENI herself designated Anthony Brink as her replacement to "speak on behalf of the Perth Group" on more than one occasion. In other words, Coppolino has NO IDEA what the fuck he's talking about!
I feel like this type of clarity and information is largely why they won’t platform you. They try to make you look unhinged like Jamie, when you are only responding to their fuckery. It is really odd that people like you and Anthony are still around and yet they just pretend you don’t fucking exist in favor of only Val Turner. I would think anyone at the top that is trying to platform so hard on this info would surely want to include both of you guys, no??
Based upon my own interactions and correspondence with them, I have to say that there DO appear to be definite "firewalls" that the NO VIRUS INC leaders have imposed surrounding:
1. Eleni and
2. Her fundamental work on the REDOX THEORY
As for Dr. Val Turner, he has done a fantastic job memorializing his long-time friend and colleague the late Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos on a *PERSONAL LEVEL*. However, it needs to be pointed out that Turner has done a REALLY SHITTY job of memorializing Eleni's *WORK*! Furthermore, apropos of this, it turns out that Turner was never really completely "novirus" himself! Eleni of course WAS (at least personally). Turner just supported the critical examination of the problems surrounding the "isolation" of "HIV".
However, on a PROFESSIONAL LEVEL and with respect to her research, Eleni and her Perth Group colleagues always agreed that it was best to make whatever compromises they felt were necessary in order to GET PUBLISHED. THAT was always their -and Eleni's- PRIMARY GOAL: to GET PUBLISHED (in peer-reviewed journals). And Eleni -both with and without her group- DID SUCCEED in doing just that.
It was also true that, in many of their papers that focused on secondary topics, the Perth Group DID succeed in including much discussion and criticisms of the problems with the "isolation" of so-called "HIV". As a result, Eleni's wish still lives on that people will "read between the lines" of her writing. This was something that she expressed in a still-unreleased audio clip recorded just a few months before she died.
However, Turner has made some mistakes in relaying these facts. In his limited public statements that he HAS made since Eleni's death, Turner has NEVER mentioned Eleni's core, fundamental theory of the REDOX THEORY! (See: https://www.theperthgroup.com/epe.html and https://www.theperthgroup.com/EPE/RedoxTheory.pdf ) Instead, Turner has concentrated almost exclusively on clarifying the compromises that Eleni and her Perth Group made in order to satisfy that aforementioned PROFESSIONAL GOAL that Eleni and her group had, that is, to GET PUBLISHED. Turner has also neglected to mention Eleni's own PERSONAL OUTLOOK on viruses.
This mistake has left in its wake some confusion and ambiguity over what was Eleni's REAL perspective on viruses. As a result, there are assholes in the novirus leadership and in the overall COVID truther movement today who spout such horseshit like "Well the PERTH GROUP never said 'viruses don't exist'.." or "The Perth Group always said that 'there is no *EVIDENCE* for the isolation of 'HIV'..." or that "Eleni was NOT 'novirus'"!! WRONG! Eleni WAS INDEED "novirus", but just on a personal level.
The 3 -part video that the Baileys claim they did "in tribute" to Eleni was based on an OLD article that was written way back *IN 1998* by *TURNER* and some third party author. Of course they do mention Eleni a lot in the article, but it was NOT written by Eleni herself! Turner told me that he was involved a little bit in the making of the Baileys' 3-part video series version of his old 1999 article. Furthermore, partly because of its old age, Turner and his co-author also mention Peter Duesberg uncritically in their article. The Baileys not only included all those mentions of Duesberg but they also ADDED MORE mentions of him AND RASNICK. As such, this "tribute to Eleni" that the Baileys did has succeeded in not only watering down Eleni's work but also CONFLATING it with Duesberg's!
It is also a fact that
1. The Baileys were made aware of the aforementioned audio clip that I have of Eleni's final recorded comments.
2. So, too, were ALL the top-level leaders of NO VIRUS INC made aware of the audio clip (Cowan and Kaufman).....
HOWEVER...
3. The Baileys REFUSED to "air" Eleni's audio clip, NOT EVEN in the "tribute" they claim they did to Eleni!
4. In fact, NONE OF THE OTHER MDs RESPONDED TO MY NUMEROUS REQUESTS TO "AIR" ELENI'S AUDIO CLIP!
More recently, all of these MDs were left in the dust by Jamie Andrews who is a freakin' GEOLOGIST by training! Jamie not only mentioned Eleni's REDOX theory, he took it further. He wrote an entre analysis of it that is at this link: https://controlstudies.substack.com/p/the-redox-theory
Yes, ALL of the MDs in the leadership of NO VIRUS INC failed to pick up on the importance of REDOX and Eleni's redox theory! That is correct: all these MDs (including TURNER, sadly) DROPPED THE FREAKIN' BALL on this issue, but geologist Jamie ended up being the one who FINALLY broke the silence on it!....???
Hang the fuck on, idk how I didn’t see this comment! Sorry Rod, it’s been nuts with all of the notifications between the last two articles I posted!
To address some things: again, I thank you for the insight you have been able to give to not just me but anyone who has been able to see or hear you give these details. I can’t reiterate enough that this is the type of stuff people don’t seem to know about or really even understand, really. They don’t get how much the well is being poisoned by the EXACT same types of characters that shit on the original dissident movement… some even claiming to have been mentored by the likes of David fucking Crowe!!!
Honestly, their behavior towards you, their indifference towards me, the ridicule and disdain they had in the response sent via Mike Stone courier message, are all reasons I didn’t even bother trying to correspond in the end. If that is how they answer genuine questions, why waste my time?? If they wouldn’t take that audio from you, why the fuck bother? I seen very clearly that they were not interested in the truth. Then when combined with the emails, shilling, promo codes, lies, who they choose to write books with, etc etc etc, it ALL has told me that they are disingenuous, at best.
This was the beauty of Jamie’s experiments, at least from where I was standing. Here stood a man and a small group of supporters who were more than willing to do what needed to be done… which in itself made me wonder why none of these bigger-named people who rake in money grifting ever took the time to expand on Lanka’s experiments or even conduct any of their own. It’s honestly a major part of why I was so disappointed early on: these were supposed to be used, in part, to really stick it to these people and ask them why it took a bunch of nobodies to get the job done. Well, you seen what happened instead lol.
The question still remains, of course, and this is why they trash what Jamie has done and call them a waste of time, while simultaneously praising Lanka’s experiments. I would say that if anything, they all ended up showing their asses better than I could have hoped. Worse even, really.
No. As I said, Eleni's audio clip is "still unreleased". No one with a larger following would post it. And I certainly do not feel like posting it myself, at least not in THIS environment, not with THIS climate of hostility coming from the NO VIRUS INC. a-holes. They would probably find things about it to criticize!
Advocating does not mean IN the perth group. I advocate for the Baileys. I am not one of them. I advocate for unwed mothers; I am not one. I advocate for Paul McCartney. i am not Paul McCartney.
I'll be driving tomorrow, so will have time to listen to entire podcast.
But in the meantime, would you kindly satisfy my curiosity re David Crowe? Was he a sheister? I used to listen to The Infectious Myth back in the day. I never thought he was a sh%tbag...but I've been fooled before. Yes, I admit it.
He had a soft, baby sounding voice. Maybe that was part of the deception lol
There was a great deal of information on Anthony Brinks website (cited in the article) that answers that question in more thorough detail, but the bottom line is that Eleni et. al. accused Crowe of being dishonest, manipulative, and driven by personal and financial gain, claiming he actively worked to prevent productive dialogue between the Perth Group and Duesberg on the HIV existence issue. This schism was further exacerbated by Crowe’s refusal to engage in open debate about the core issue of HIV’s existence, which the Perth Group saw as essential to advancing their cause. I’ll be diving into this more in detail in the next day or so :)
I would like to offer a clarification if I may. First of all, for details surrounding how David Crowe contrived to help SINK our old "AIDS" dissident movement, please go to: https://tig.org.za/RA.htm
Kristen is mostly correct in her earlier reply to you below. However in all fairness to both Eleni and Dr. Turner of the Perth Group, I do not think they knew Crowe's exact motive and what was driving him to do the despicable things he did during our "AIDS" dissident movement. None of us could quite figure it out at the time back then. In fact, in all of the documentation offered at the TIG link I provided above, I don't think you will find a clear motive that we claimed we knew what was driving Crowe to do what he certainly did to destroy the Perth Group and, by extension, the entire "AIDS" dissident movement. We certainly saw a definite drive on the part of Crowe to support Peter Duesberg at all costs, but I don't think any of us came up with an actual motive back then. That remained a mystery for years.
It was only much later, after Crowe died in 2020 that I was the one who came to the conclusion that Crowe's motive probably had something to do with the biotech venture that was launched by Peter Duesberg and the other David, Rasnick. The chronology of events supports this. Duesberg and Rasnick started their biotech venture which was based on Duesberg's theory of cancer in the year 2003. Crowe was invited BY RASNICK to re-start a then-defunct "Rethinking AIDS" organization circa 2005 which he did, and Crowe became President of the NEWLY resuscitated "RA". It eventually became clear that, from that point on, this new version of "RA" was going to be used a "publicity arm" for Duesberg and as such, the NEW "RA" would be "All Duesberg, All the time". This meant that they, the two Davids, Crowe and Rasnick would do everything they could to both PROMOTE and *PROTECT* their "star quarterback", Duesberg!
I have speculated (and these thoughts about Crowe's motive ARE I'll concede SPECULATION) that Crowe wanted IN on the new biotech venture with Duesberg and Rasnick. Crowe may have wanted an actual piece of Duesberg's and Rasnick's biotech company, or he may have been GIVEN a piece (even a small piece) of the company by Duesberg and Rasnick. It's also possible that Crowe may have coughed up some of his OWN money and invested in the venture himself. Lastly, it could be that Crowe just really wanted to impress Duesberg and Rasnick (and their mulit-millionaire VENTURE CAPITALIST who was funding them and their biotech company) so that HE (Crowe) could get a contract (for "telecommunications") with the Duesberg/Rasnick biotech company if it really took off and became wildly successful (which it never did).
I never discussed any of this with Eleni, the leader of the Perth Group with whom I had been corresponding for DECADES. Eleni was too sick when I first put this all together, and she died before I could share it with her. Anthony Brink himself was not convinced of my theory at first, and he may still be doubtful of it. Brink always viewed Crowe as a small-time Rotary Club-level businessman. I think that is possible, too, but it is possible that BOTH things were the truth: Crowe could have been a small-time Rotary Club businessman, but he also may have wanted to try to CASH IN on the Duesberg/Rasnick venture. At any rate, the chronology for this motive FITS perfectly with David Crowe's ACTIONS which NO ONE can deny.
This motive would help to explain the actions of David Crowe and the other David, Rasnick, namely, why they would NEVER allow ANY interaction between Eleni and Peter Duesberg on ANY topic, EVEN on the crucial issue of the missing "virus", "HIV". It bears emphasizing that, in the previous decade, Eleni had already slammed Duesberg on this issue in a VERY BIG, VERY PUBLIC WAY. See: https://www.theperthgroup.com/CONTINUUM/PapadopolousReallyAchieved1996.pdf
Unfortunately, for everyone involved in the Duesberg/Rasnick biotech company, it had pretty much FAILED by the beginning of the 2010s. (But the failure had NOTHING to do with any interference from Eleni or any other Perth Group member or supporter.) After that, David Crowe was free to once again be as "no virus" as he wanted to be, right on up to the day he died. This was because Duesberg was not involved in ANY activism or FINANCIAL pursuits when "COVID" hit. So this means that the other David, Rasnick was ALSO free to claim he is now "no virus", too!
Thank you...from Utah. I will need a little time to digest. We all want someone honest, I know I do. To think I've been fooled by Crowd makes me want to vomit!!
Well, we ALL were "fooled" by Crowe and others back in our old "AIDS" dissident movement. Kary Mullis was an even BIGGER CON MAN for us dissidents! David Crowe and I had many friendly interactions (by email mostly) over the years prior to circa 2006. Crowe even gave me a freakin' "AWARD" for "Superior AIDS Rethinking" circa 2004! LOL!
Even Eleni had difficulty realizing what Crowe was planning to do during the Parenzee Trial in early 2007. Even when I told Eleni about the interference that I was pretty sure Crowe was planning, she BALKED at my WARNING and downplayed it! The results were DISASTROUS!
Thank you for all this information in one spot as I want to study it all and try to understand it. Also I have a family member who was diagnosed with AIDS 25 years ago. I want to understand it for her. How sad it is to think of all the shame and suffering of a fraudulent diagnosis, the mistreatment and dangerous medications. It's all so mind boggling. Waking up is not for the fainthearted.
It really is quite awful what the germ theory paradigm does to wreak havoc on people, their health, and their lives. Waking up might be awful, but it a grand step in the right direction 💜
That's the funniest thing I've seen since watching all those SNL reels last night.
What exactly are "no virus gatekeepers" gatekeeping?
Either viruses exist or they do not. If the virus pushers are lying, and the no virus people are saying that viruses have never been shown to exist, then what exactly is being filtered out?
There is no halfway point here. The people filtering are those who claim to be solidly in Health Freedom, anti vax, it was all a scamedmic -- without ever mentioning the missing virus problem.
Someone -- please explain...
Also, this is the Perth Group:
<< Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos (deceased), emergency physician Valendar F. Turner and pathologist John Papadimitriou. The group was founded in 1981. >>
Try listening to the entire audio and reading the entire repost with edits and taking in the information before posting your knee-jerk response.
Also, I do not take well to you and your degeneracy and schemes. Kindly remove yourself from my comment section Eric. I have absolutely nothing to say to you.
With Kristen's permission, it might be a good idea to remind readers that this is Eric Coppolino in the image at this link (WARNING: ADULT CONTENT!): https://imgflip.com/i/856rwa Kristen: if you do NOT want this on your substack, please feel free to delete it!
You post THAT in response to my comment? This proves that you are crazy, and that I am an artist and LGBTQM activist.
I am curious you think this says about me except that I have a nice body and that two of my models sat for photos for a book about how to masturbate with your friends. With this photo you have all the information you need. But here is a little more...
Kristen, you will have to explain this to me, mommy. Are you saying that three adults sharing masturbation -- for a book about how to share masturbation -- is "degeneracy"? How exactly is that?
Who pray tell are YOU? Other than just yet another ANONYMOUS profile set up *3 DAYS AGO*...?? There are plenty of people potentially being harmed ****BY*** this photo, dipshit, and not necessarily those *IN* the photo (although one could certainly argue that Creeperino has definitely compromised his OWN credibility! LOL!) It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that it is the credibility of the novirus movement at large that gets harmed by shit like this photo!
And this is still a real problem despite the fact that Creeperino is more of a SECOND-STRING NO VIRUS INC personality and not a top-level celebrity like Cowan, Kaufman and the Baileys.....
The inventors of the term "No Virus INC" are fighting windmills. There are other enemies to fight here. For instance all the various organisations of the government that promote taking poissons.
So is it better to sit idly by while half of these people or more are either: pretending to be against big pharma whilst getting kickbacks from big pharma promo codes, or out shilling alt poisons to people? Are those not the EXACT types of things we are encouraged to push back against??
Who the F are YOU? I already asked you that last week, but you did not answer! Why the F should anyone listen to YOU, you ANONYMOUS TROLL "FRANK with a bunch of numbers in your profile name"...?? Are you a sock account for Mike Stone or Christine Massey? People in NO VIRUS INC ALSO promote taking poisons!
Calm the F. down. The people you call "No Virus INC" are (1) not an organized group and (2) They say for 99 % the same things as you "dissidents" (???) are saying.
Nobody of that so called "No Virus INC" is profiling as the leader of "no-virus" people.
I watched this and overall this guy is not bad but apparently he doesn't know that Alec promotes urine therapy, Andrew Kaufman promoted Ivermectin early on in the pandemic and all of them promote Kary Mullis as a hero. Most of them still has nothing bad to say about Vitamin D. It sounds like the only reason he is mad it the No Virus Inc crew is because they ignored him...
I know Jamie is not without fault but I'd like to hear him point out where Jamie's advice has caused people harm like in the case of urine therapy, Vitamin D, Ivermectin and many other so called remedies promoted by this gang.
I seen this link when you dropped it earlier, thank you.
If you don’t understand “why all of the infighting drama” quite yet, I’m not sure what to tell you. I’m sorry I don’t stop at fighting just the entities you think I should.
We're not making ANYTHING up asshole...YOU ARE! And you do not know what the fuck you're TALKING ABOUT! And FUCK YOU with your fucking TONE POLICE! You sound exactly like MIKE STONE! You are still just an ANONYMOUS FUCKING TROLL! You did NOT answer my FIRST fucking question to YOU: WHO THE FUCK ARE *YOU*?
Since I have taken to blocking Eric Coppolino, and have no clue why he was not already blocked... for anyone else who can still publicly read his ridiculous gripes about Anthony Brink's involvement with the Perth Group, let's be clear:
Brink was actively involved in supporting the Perth Group during the Parenzee case. While he was not a signatory to any specific legal documents in the case (e.g., court submissions), Brink played a significant role in advocating for the Perth Group’s position. He provided both intellectual and moral support, promoting their oxidative stress hypothesis and their challenge to HIV’s existence. Brink’s writings, including articles and books like Debating AZT, aligned closely with the Perth Group’s views, and he publicly criticized David Crowe for undermining their testimony by influencing Parenzee’s lawyer, Kevin Borick, to pivot toward Peter Duesberg’s arguments. While I concede that Brink’s involvement was more ideological and promotional, rather than as a direct participant in court proceedings, there is no denying his role here and to do so is extremely dishonest. Coppolino can go fuck himself in front a mirror.
Coppolino is WRONG, of course. As usual, he does not know what he's talking about, and he is in over his head! It was a fact that Perth Group leader Eleni P-E had TWICE DESIGNATED Anthony Brink as a speaker on behalf of The Perth Group. The first time that Brink "ably" spoke on behalf of the Perth Group was in May, 2008 at the "All Russia Parents Assembly AIDS dissident conference" held in Ekaterinburg. The second time Eleni proposed that Anthony Brink present the Perth Group's views on the "HIV" isolation problem was at an American AIDS dissident Conference being organized in 2009 by David Rasnick and David Crowe. Eleni's proposal to have Brink speak again "on behalf of the Perth Group" was REJECTED by the assholes running that conference. (See: https://www.tig.org.za/RA&RAConference&PGSep1609.pdf )
It is also a fact that Anthony Brink was credited as CO-AUTHOR along with other additional authors of at least two Perth Group publications:
1. A 2003 Letter to the Editor that got published in the (peer-reviewed) International Journal of STD & AIDS ( https://www.theperthgroup.com/SCIPAPERS/PerthGroupIJSAJune3003.pdf )
and
2. The Perth Group's self-published Monograph on "Mother to Child Transmission of HIV..."
( https://www.theperthgroup.com/MONOGRAPH/MTCTMay2005.pdf )
3. In addition, Brink was credited as Co-Author of another scientific paper that the Perth Group submitted for peer-review which was rejected: https://www.theperthgroup.com/REJECTED/emergmedab.html
It should be clarified that throughout the years, the Perth Group had several additional people -in addition to the primary three who were mentioned by Coppolino- who were credited as co-authors on their papers. It IS true that the vast majority of the writing was always done by ELENI. However, it is very significant that ELENI herself designated Anthony Brink as her replacement to "speak on behalf of the Perth Group" on more than one occasion. In other words, Coppolino has NO IDEA what the fuck he's talking about!
I feel like this type of clarity and information is largely why they won’t platform you. They try to make you look unhinged like Jamie, when you are only responding to their fuckery. It is really odd that people like you and Anthony are still around and yet they just pretend you don’t fucking exist in favor of only Val Turner. I would think anyone at the top that is trying to platform so hard on this info would surely want to include both of you guys, no??
Based upon my own interactions and correspondence with them, I have to say that there DO appear to be definite "firewalls" that the NO VIRUS INC leaders have imposed surrounding:
1. Eleni and
2. Her fundamental work on the REDOX THEORY
As for Dr. Val Turner, he has done a fantastic job memorializing his long-time friend and colleague the late Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos on a *PERSONAL LEVEL*. However, it needs to be pointed out that Turner has done a REALLY SHITTY job of memorializing Eleni's *WORK*! Furthermore, apropos of this, it turns out that Turner was never really completely "novirus" himself! Eleni of course WAS (at least personally). Turner just supported the critical examination of the problems surrounding the "isolation" of "HIV".
However, on a PROFESSIONAL LEVEL and with respect to her research, Eleni and her Perth Group colleagues always agreed that it was best to make whatever compromises they felt were necessary in order to GET PUBLISHED. THAT was always their -and Eleni's- PRIMARY GOAL: to GET PUBLISHED (in peer-reviewed journals). And Eleni -both with and without her group- DID SUCCEED in doing just that.
It was also true that, in many of their papers that focused on secondary topics, the Perth Group DID succeed in including much discussion and criticisms of the problems with the "isolation" of so-called "HIV". As a result, Eleni's wish still lives on that people will "read between the lines" of her writing. This was something that she expressed in a still-unreleased audio clip recorded just a few months before she died.
However, Turner has made some mistakes in relaying these facts. In his limited public statements that he HAS made since Eleni's death, Turner has NEVER mentioned Eleni's core, fundamental theory of the REDOX THEORY! (See: https://www.theperthgroup.com/epe.html and https://www.theperthgroup.com/EPE/RedoxTheory.pdf ) Instead, Turner has concentrated almost exclusively on clarifying the compromises that Eleni and her Perth Group made in order to satisfy that aforementioned PROFESSIONAL GOAL that Eleni and her group had, that is, to GET PUBLISHED. Turner has also neglected to mention Eleni's own PERSONAL OUTLOOK on viruses.
This mistake has left in its wake some confusion and ambiguity over what was Eleni's REAL perspective on viruses. As a result, there are assholes in the novirus leadership and in the overall COVID truther movement today who spout such horseshit like "Well the PERTH GROUP never said 'viruses don't exist'.." or "The Perth Group always said that 'there is no *EVIDENCE* for the isolation of 'HIV'..." or that "Eleni was NOT 'novirus'"!! WRONG! Eleni WAS INDEED "novirus", but just on a personal level.
The 3 -part video that the Baileys claim they did "in tribute" to Eleni was based on an OLD article that was written way back *IN 1998* by *TURNER* and some third party author. Of course they do mention Eleni a lot in the article, but it was NOT written by Eleni herself! Turner told me that he was involved a little bit in the making of the Baileys' 3-part video series version of his old 1999 article. Furthermore, partly because of its old age, Turner and his co-author also mention Peter Duesberg uncritically in their article. The Baileys not only included all those mentions of Duesberg but they also ADDED MORE mentions of him AND RASNICK. As such, this "tribute to Eleni" that the Baileys did has succeeded in not only watering down Eleni's work but also CONFLATING it with Duesberg's!
It is also a fact that
1. The Baileys were made aware of the aforementioned audio clip that I have of Eleni's final recorded comments.
2. So, too, were ALL the top-level leaders of NO VIRUS INC made aware of the audio clip (Cowan and Kaufman).....
HOWEVER...
3. The Baileys REFUSED to "air" Eleni's audio clip, NOT EVEN in the "tribute" they claim they did to Eleni!
4. In fact, NONE OF THE OTHER MDs RESPONDED TO MY NUMEROUS REQUESTS TO "AIR" ELENI'S AUDIO CLIP!
More recently, all of these MDs were left in the dust by Jamie Andrews who is a freakin' GEOLOGIST by training! Jamie not only mentioned Eleni's REDOX theory, he took it further. He wrote an entre analysis of it that is at this link: https://controlstudies.substack.com/p/the-redox-theory
Yes, ALL of the MDs in the leadership of NO VIRUS INC failed to pick up on the importance of REDOX and Eleni's redox theory! That is correct: all these MDs (including TURNER, sadly) DROPPED THE FREAKIN' BALL on this issue, but geologist Jamie ended up being the one who FINALLY broke the silence on it!....???
Hang the fuck on, idk how I didn’t see this comment! Sorry Rod, it’s been nuts with all of the notifications between the last two articles I posted!
To address some things: again, I thank you for the insight you have been able to give to not just me but anyone who has been able to see or hear you give these details. I can’t reiterate enough that this is the type of stuff people don’t seem to know about or really even understand, really. They don’t get how much the well is being poisoned by the EXACT same types of characters that shit on the original dissident movement… some even claiming to have been mentored by the likes of David fucking Crowe!!!
Honestly, their behavior towards you, their indifference towards me, the ridicule and disdain they had in the response sent via Mike Stone courier message, are all reasons I didn’t even bother trying to correspond in the end. If that is how they answer genuine questions, why waste my time?? If they wouldn’t take that audio from you, why the fuck bother? I seen very clearly that they were not interested in the truth. Then when combined with the emails, shilling, promo codes, lies, who they choose to write books with, etc etc etc, it ALL has told me that they are disingenuous, at best.
This was the beauty of Jamie’s experiments, at least from where I was standing. Here stood a man and a small group of supporters who were more than willing to do what needed to be done… which in itself made me wonder why none of these bigger-named people who rake in money grifting ever took the time to expand on Lanka’s experiments or even conduct any of their own. It’s honestly a major part of why I was so disappointed early on: these were supposed to be used, in part, to really stick it to these people and ask them why it took a bunch of nobodies to get the job done. Well, you seen what happened instead lol.
The question still remains, of course, and this is why they trash what Jamie has done and call them a waste of time, while simultaneously praising Lanka’s experiments. I would say that if anything, they all ended up showing their asses better than I could have hoped. Worse even, really.
Thanks I also posted it as a note here: https://substack.com/@longtimedissident/note/c-142132121
Do you have a link, please, to the "Eleni's Audio Clip"?
No. As I said, Eleni's audio clip is "still unreleased". No one with a larger following would post it. And I certainly do not feel like posting it myself, at least not in THIS environment, not with THIS climate of hostility coming from the NO VIRUS INC. a-holes. They would probably find things about it to criticize!
Advocating does not mean IN the perth group. I advocate for the Baileys. I am not one of them. I advocate for unwed mothers; I am not one. I advocate for Paul McCartney. i am not Paul McCartney.
I'll be driving tomorrow, so will have time to listen to entire podcast.
But in the meantime, would you kindly satisfy my curiosity re David Crowe? Was he a sheister? I used to listen to The Infectious Myth back in the day. I never thought he was a sh%tbag...but I've been fooled before. Yes, I admit it.
He had a soft, baby sounding voice. Maybe that was part of the deception lol
There was a great deal of information on Anthony Brinks website (cited in the article) that answers that question in more thorough detail, but the bottom line is that Eleni et. al. accused Crowe of being dishonest, manipulative, and driven by personal and financial gain, claiming he actively worked to prevent productive dialogue between the Perth Group and Duesberg on the HIV existence issue. This schism was further exacerbated by Crowe’s refusal to engage in open debate about the core issue of HIV’s existence, which the Perth Group saw as essential to advancing their cause. I’ll be diving into this more in detail in the next day or so :)
Thank you
I would like to offer a clarification if I may. First of all, for details surrounding how David Crowe contrived to help SINK our old "AIDS" dissident movement, please go to: https://tig.org.za/RA.htm
Kristen is mostly correct in her earlier reply to you below. However in all fairness to both Eleni and Dr. Turner of the Perth Group, I do not think they knew Crowe's exact motive and what was driving him to do the despicable things he did during our "AIDS" dissident movement. None of us could quite figure it out at the time back then. In fact, in all of the documentation offered at the TIG link I provided above, I don't think you will find a clear motive that we claimed we knew what was driving Crowe to do what he certainly did to destroy the Perth Group and, by extension, the entire "AIDS" dissident movement. We certainly saw a definite drive on the part of Crowe to support Peter Duesberg at all costs, but I don't think any of us came up with an actual motive back then. That remained a mystery for years.
It was only much later, after Crowe died in 2020 that I was the one who came to the conclusion that Crowe's motive probably had something to do with the biotech venture that was launched by Peter Duesberg and the other David, Rasnick. The chronology of events supports this. Duesberg and Rasnick started their biotech venture which was based on Duesberg's theory of cancer in the year 2003. Crowe was invited BY RASNICK to re-start a then-defunct "Rethinking AIDS" organization circa 2005 which he did, and Crowe became President of the NEWLY resuscitated "RA". It eventually became clear that, from that point on, this new version of "RA" was going to be used a "publicity arm" for Duesberg and as such, the NEW "RA" would be "All Duesberg, All the time". This meant that they, the two Davids, Crowe and Rasnick would do everything they could to both PROMOTE and *PROTECT* their "star quarterback", Duesberg!
I have speculated (and these thoughts about Crowe's motive ARE I'll concede SPECULATION) that Crowe wanted IN on the new biotech venture with Duesberg and Rasnick. Crowe may have wanted an actual piece of Duesberg's and Rasnick's biotech company, or he may have been GIVEN a piece (even a small piece) of the company by Duesberg and Rasnick. It's also possible that Crowe may have coughed up some of his OWN money and invested in the venture himself. Lastly, it could be that Crowe just really wanted to impress Duesberg and Rasnick (and their mulit-millionaire VENTURE CAPITALIST who was funding them and their biotech company) so that HE (Crowe) could get a contract (for "telecommunications") with the Duesberg/Rasnick biotech company if it really took off and became wildly successful (which it never did).
I never discussed any of this with Eleni, the leader of the Perth Group with whom I had been corresponding for DECADES. Eleni was too sick when I first put this all together, and she died before I could share it with her. Anthony Brink himself was not convinced of my theory at first, and he may still be doubtful of it. Brink always viewed Crowe as a small-time Rotary Club-level businessman. I think that is possible, too, but it is possible that BOTH things were the truth: Crowe could have been a small-time Rotary Club businessman, but he also may have wanted to try to CASH IN on the Duesberg/Rasnick venture. At any rate, the chronology for this motive FITS perfectly with David Crowe's ACTIONS which NO ONE can deny.
This motive would help to explain the actions of David Crowe and the other David, Rasnick, namely, why they would NEVER allow ANY interaction between Eleni and Peter Duesberg on ANY topic, EVEN on the crucial issue of the missing "virus", "HIV". It bears emphasizing that, in the previous decade, Eleni had already slammed Duesberg on this issue in a VERY BIG, VERY PUBLIC WAY. See: https://www.theperthgroup.com/CONTINUUM/PapadopolousReallyAchieved1996.pdf
Unfortunately, for everyone involved in the Duesberg/Rasnick biotech company, it had pretty much FAILED by the beginning of the 2010s. (But the failure had NOTHING to do with any interference from Eleni or any other Perth Group member or supporter.) After that, David Crowe was free to once again be as "no virus" as he wanted to be, right on up to the day he died. This was because Duesberg was not involved in ANY activism or FINANCIAL pursuits when "COVID" hit. So this means that the other David, Rasnick was ALSO free to claim he is now "no virus", too!
Thank you...from Utah. I will need a little time to digest. We all want someone honest, I know I do. To think I've been fooled by Crowd makes me want to vomit!!
Well, we ALL were "fooled" by Crowe and others back in our old "AIDS" dissident movement. Kary Mullis was an even BIGGER CON MAN for us dissidents! David Crowe and I had many friendly interactions (by email mostly) over the years prior to circa 2006. Crowe even gave me a freakin' "AWARD" for "Superior AIDS Rethinking" circa 2004! LOL!
Even Eleni had difficulty realizing what Crowe was planning to do during the Parenzee Trial in early 2007. Even when I told Eleni about the interference that I was pretty sure Crowe was planning, she BALKED at my WARNING and downplayed it! The results were DISASTROUS!
Thank you for all this information in one spot as I want to study it all and try to understand it. Also I have a family member who was diagnosed with AIDS 25 years ago. I want to understand it for her. How sad it is to think of all the shame and suffering of a fraudulent diagnosis, the mistreatment and dangerous medications. It's all so mind boggling. Waking up is not for the fainthearted.
It really is quite awful what the germ theory paradigm does to wreak havoc on people, their health, and their lives. Waking up might be awful, but it a grand step in the right direction 💜
<< No Virus INC. Gatekeepers >>
That's the funniest thing I've seen since watching all those SNL reels last night.
What exactly are "no virus gatekeepers" gatekeeping?
Either viruses exist or they do not. If the virus pushers are lying, and the no virus people are saying that viruses have never been shown to exist, then what exactly is being filtered out?
There is no halfway point here. The people filtering are those who claim to be solidly in Health Freedom, anti vax, it was all a scamedmic -- without ever mentioning the missing virus problem.
Someone -- please explain...
Also, this is the Perth Group:
<< Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos (deceased), emergency physician Valendar F. Turner and pathologist John Papadimitriou. The group was founded in 1981. >>
Try listening to the entire audio and reading the entire repost with edits and taking in the information before posting your knee-jerk response.
Also, I do not take well to you and your degeneracy and schemes. Kindly remove yourself from my comment section Eric. I have absolutely nothing to say to you.
you just said that to me.
With Kristen's permission, it might be a good idea to remind readers that this is Eric Coppolino in the image at this link (WARNING: ADULT CONTENT!): https://imgflip.com/i/856rwa Kristen: if you do NOT want this on your substack, please feel free to delete it!
You ask Kristen? So wait a second, bitch.
You post THAT in response to my comment? This proves that you are crazy, and that I am an artist and LGBTQM activist.
I am curious you think this says about me except that I have a nice body and that two of my models sat for photos for a book about how to masturbate with your friends. With this photo you have all the information you need. But here is a little more...
https://www.planetwaves.net/Taurus_How_To_Be.html
Are you saying you promote such degeneracy?
I have no idea how that comment got there and no idea what the issue is about.
Kristen, you will have to explain this to me, mommy. Are you saying that three adults sharing masturbation -- for a book about how to share masturbation -- is "degeneracy"? How exactly is that?
Who pray tell are YOU? Other than just yet another ANONYMOUS profile set up *3 DAYS AGO*...?? There are plenty of people potentially being harmed ****BY*** this photo, dipshit, and not necessarily those *IN* the photo (although one could certainly argue that Creeperino has definitely compromised his OWN credibility! LOL!) It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that it is the credibility of the novirus movement at large that gets harmed by shit like this photo!
And this is still a real problem despite the fact that Creeperino is more of a SECOND-STRING NO VIRUS INC personality and not a top-level celebrity like Cowan, Kaufman and the Baileys.....
I have no idea who posted that and no idea what this issue is about.
Is there a way to download and save the 1hr 34 minute interview posted at the very top, please?
Thank you Kristen very much for such an education on subversion! This is over-the-top quality material! And thanks for the commentators too.
Interesting:
https://rumble.com/v6wznri-johnny-cirucci-live.html?e9s=src_v1_clr%2Csrc_v1_upp_a
The inventors of the term "No Virus INC" are fighting windmills. There are other enemies to fight here. For instance all the various organisations of the government that promote taking poissons.
So is it better to sit idly by while half of these people or more are either: pretending to be against big pharma whilst getting kickbacks from big pharma promo codes, or out shilling alt poisons to people? Are those not the EXACT types of things we are encouraged to push back against??
Who the F are YOU? I already asked you that last week, but you did not answer! Why the F should anyone listen to YOU, you ANONYMOUS TROLL "FRANK with a bunch of numbers in your profile name"...?? Are you a sock account for Mike Stone or Christine Massey? People in NO VIRUS INC ALSO promote taking poisons!
Calm the F. down. The people you call "No Virus INC" are (1) not an organized group and (2) They say for 99 % the same things as you "dissidents" (???) are saying.
Nobody of that so called "No Virus INC" is profiling as the leader of "no-virus" people.
You are making stuff up. And I am wondering why?
Which part is made up?? Please point me to where any of what I have said or presented is false.
Like I said 99% of what people like Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan are saying is also covered by this group. Not any difference there.
So why all this drama? The biggest dramaqueen is Jamie Andrews with his piece. Where is he coming from?
The biggest threat is mainstream medecine.
Piece from Johnny Cirucci about this internet infighting drama:
https://rumble.com/v6wznri-johnny-cirucci-live.html?e9s=src_v1_clr%2Csrc_v1_upp_a
I watched this and overall this guy is not bad but apparently he doesn't know that Alec promotes urine therapy, Andrew Kaufman promoted Ivermectin early on in the pandemic and all of them promote Kary Mullis as a hero. Most of them still has nothing bad to say about Vitamin D. It sounds like the only reason he is mad it the No Virus Inc crew is because they ignored him...
I know Jamie is not without fault but I'd like to hear him point out where Jamie's advice has caused people harm like in the case of urine therapy, Vitamin D, Ivermectin and many other so called remedies promoted by this gang.
I seen this link when you dropped it earlier, thank you.
If you don’t understand “why all of the infighting drama” quite yet, I’m not sure what to tell you. I’m sorry I don’t stop at fighting just the entities you think I should.
We're not making ANYTHING up asshole...YOU ARE! And you do not know what the fuck you're TALKING ABOUT! And FUCK YOU with your fucking TONE POLICE! You sound exactly like MIKE STONE! You are still just an ANONYMOUS FUCKING TROLL! You did NOT answer my FIRST fucking question to YOU: WHO THE FUCK ARE *YOU*?
Jesus Fucking CHRIST!!!
God Bless you wherever you may be.
https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=alizee+j%27en+ai+marre
This is just too much dude!!!//
Goodnight from Utah. Tomorrow is another day :)
From the mid '90's...the era of VHS tapes.
They even had medical dissidents back then.
https://seed132.bitchute.com/QLCmJsHuHlRR/I65XKT0Epf81.mp4
I dunno guys.
Someday I might need a new kidney and I hope they do PCR to make sure it's the right kidney for me.
(Not a donation request!)
What in the world??
Not to worry, Dear.
It’s just boring this “DNA is fake” theme, then posting pictures of Mick Jagger hanging out with some chicks.
It’s weird behavior.
Are you feeling ok?
Pete is a Criminal Mike Stone fanboy.....
Yeah, thanks.
Why you put a picture of DNA sequencing and then say it’s fake?
Make up your mind.
Is that all you have to say or offer? You are a waste of time. You ever think images like that are chosen to prove a point?
I didn’t post it, you posted it. And then you say it’s fake.
Make up your mind, please.